I like posting at the Martinsville Media Forum. There’s a mix of everything there; Cousin Eddies, Libertarians, Pseudo-intellectuals, Christian Conservatives, Communist Party believers, really nice people, really cruel people and some just plain regular folk. Bill Wyatt, the owner of Martinsville Media, has some good rules there about personal attacks and cursing. Since that’s what I’m about to do, I’ve decided to post a response to this post here.
A new thread started by a regular poster, CATO, today: (note: While you’re reading through the misspellings…CATO is an ATTORNEY.)
Torture: What do we do?
With the statements of Conyers, Leahy, etc…it is clear that the Congress will do some sort of investigation into Bush Era policies with particular attention to allegations of rendition, secret prisons and torture. Quite frankly, I wish the relevany Chairman were a little more pragmatic instead of approaching the left wing fringe, but I beleive that an investigation is proper.
Here is what the ACLU is finidng out through FOIA requests:
Note the article provides links to some of the actual documents. Some highlights are:
“In both cases, for example, [prisoners] were handcuffed to fixed objects above their heads in order to keep them awake,” reads the document. “Additionally, interrogations in both incidents involved the use of physical violence, including kicking, beating, and the use of “compliance blows” which involved striking the [prisoners] legs with the [interrogators] knees. In both cases, blunt force trauma to the legs was implicated in the deaths. In one case, a pulmonary embolism developed as a consequence of the blunt force trauma, and in the other case pre-existing coronary artery disease was complicated by the blunt force trauma.”
“[An] investigation launched after allegations that an Iraqi prisoner was subjected to torture and abuse at ‘The Disco’ (located in the Special Operations Force Compound in Mosul Airfield, Mosul, Iraq). The abuse consisted of filling his jumpsuit with ice, then hosing him down and making him stand for long periods of time, sometimes in front of an air conditioner; forcing him to lay down and drink water until he gagged, vomited or choked, having his head banged against a hot steel plate while hooded and interrogated; being forced to do leg lifts with bags of ice placed on his ankles, and being kicked when he could not do more.
I realize this will likely deteriorate into partisan idiocy, but this has to be investigated. In my mind, the focus should be on the POLICYMAKERS such as John Yoo, Gonzales, Addington, etc..and not on the boots on the ground. I was in the military long enough to know NCOs dont go rogue. They folow orders. I have never believed the “official” version of Abu Gharib and the lambs they offered for slaughter.
This is too important to sweep under the rug.
First of all, for anyone with so much shit for brains they don’t know what torture is, let me explain it:
THIS IS TORTURE
This little girl is wearing her school uniform. She was kidnapped, tortured and beheaded because she is a Christian. The “Bush Era Policy-makers” didn’t do this.
This is Nick Berg’s head. It’s a still shot from the video his murderers posted of their great accomplishment. Ever see how “The Lambs” behead someone, dumbass? They don’t use a sword and whack it off. They slowly saw it off with a knife. Can you hear Nick Berg screaming, ass-wipe? I hope so. I hope it gets so loud the next time you blame America first, it keeps you awake at night. The “Bush Era Policy-makers” didn’t do this.
This is an American, dickhead. He was someone’s dad, son and husband. He was burned alive, dismembered and hung up like a piece of meat. Can you imagine what his body must smell like? I hope you can. I hope everytime you shower with some girly soap and splash on your “Eau de Big Pussy” cologne, you smell HIM instead. The “Bush Era Policy-makers” did this.
How difficult would it be to be given the choice of being incinerated or jump from a skyscraper? I hope the next time you’re making the decision to defend your “lambs”, you think about this man, maggot. The “Bush Era Policy-makers” didn’t do this.
What kind of torture would it be to sift through the fumes of toxic jet engine fuel, the smell of burnt flesh and tons of skyscraper cement looking for any scrap of your best friend? You’ve laughed with him and cried with him. He was there for your son’s christening and your daughter’s wedding. You’re the one he called when his mother died. You saw him just a couple of hours ago. What if it was 366 of your best friends, asshole? The “Bush Era Policy-makers” didn’t do this.
How many people in the United States of America do you think give one rat’s ass if “the lambs” get water poured up their noses, are subjected to rock music or deprived of 8 hours sleep? I would say, if you take out the old hippies, socialists, progressives and members of the peaceful religion of Islam, the number is ZERO.
I think Guantanamo was a mistake, also. The ones caught on the battlefield should have been tortured until useful information was extracted and verified and then killed. A good start would have been John Walker Lindh.
While we’re on the subject of torture, let us not forget infants, toddlers and children brutally raped, tortured and video-taped by sick, repulsive, wastes of human space? ACLU fan that you are, surely it must please you that it isn’t only Islamic serial mass murderers these slimes ardently support, but child rapists, also. The ACLU represents both groups pro bono.
Don’t bother wrapping yourself in the “moral authority” of an amoral group with the idiotic whining of “But if we totuuurrre, we’re no better than theemmm”…..
You and the ACLU are not just “no better than them”. You’re worse.